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Wednesday, July 7, 2010

Catholic Matters UPDATED AGAIN!!

Catholic Matters: Confusion, Controversy, and the Splendor of TruthA friend lent me the book Catholic Matters by Father Richard Neuhaus and I was fascinated by it.  Unlike the Catholic books I typically read on theology or spirituality, this book took a look at the Church today, particularly in America.  He begins and ends with his experience in Rome at the funeral of Pope John Paul the Great.  He takes a good hard look at the Church today, challenging and chastising us where needed, yet with love and optimism.  He had some incredible insight and thoughts that I want to share.

Regarding Catholics who "think for themselves" he says, "The somewhat implausible assumption is that what one thinks up by oneself is more interesting than what the Church teaches."  HA!  He goes on to point out that thinking with the Church depends on thinking at all.  We have to think for ourselves so that we can think WITH the Church.  "People say they have difficulty with one teaching or another.  That is not necessarily a problem.  The problem arises when we assume that the problem is with the teaching and not with ourselves."  (Reminds me of a certain poem by a certain blogger...I'm not going to name names... ahem... Danya... ahem...) (Catholic Matters: Confusion, Controversy, and the Splendor of Truth, pg. 13). 


His chapter titled "Lest Catholics Be Different" had me laughing so hard I was crying.  He begins by recommending a book that is now on my Amazon wish-list (oh how it is growing and growing...)  Why Catholics Can't Sing: The Culture of Catholicism and the Triumph of Bad Taste by Thomas Day. 


"Day sends up chatty priests who emcee the Mass as though it were their own live talk show, song leaders who challenge anyone else to sing, and happy-clappy ditties that might embarrass preschoolers."  (Catholic Matters, pg. 111) 

He points out that "not so long ago, convert stories typically stressed the compelling aesthetic attractions of Catholicism.  People such as Thomas Merton were drawn to the Church by the beauty, the solemnity, the ceremony, the dignity of the worship.  The word commonly used was 'mystery.'" (Catholic Matters, pg. 112)



He is hopeful that the liberties taken in Mass are passing as we are blessed with a new generation of priests.  From hidden Tabernacles to liturgical dancers, we are on the road to a renewed Church and liturgy. 

So let's indulge ourselves and play the game of "can you top this" in liturgical and musical malpractices? 

I'll start.  When we had first moved here and were parish hopping to find our Church home, the Church we ultimately joined played the song, "Lean on Me" for the offertory hymn.  SOUL style.  I nearly split my side from holding in the laughter.  Let's just say it did NOT invoke a spirit of prayer!!  Sheez!

UPDATE!!!  As good timing would have it, "First Things" came out with a top ten list of the worst hymns here!  Hilarious and SO TRUE!  Anything you would add to it?  I'd add "All are Welcome" and, of course, "Lean on Me."  :)

I keep finding more- compliments of friends!  (Thanks, Maria!)  Check this out!  It's a ten-step process to writing any Marty Haugen song.  (My favorite is #10.)

P.S.  Pray for a friend who had an adoption fall through at the last minute last week.  They'd been matched for months and were on their way to pick up the baby when the BM changed her mind and decided to parent.  Heartbreaking. 

21 comments:

Lisa said...

Too funny, and wayyyyyy too true. OK, so this is more of a malpractice in hindsight (WHY did we always have liturgical dances during Mass in high school, L??), but I definitely was one of 3 liturgical dancers AT MY OWN CONFIRMATION MASS. I know. Insane. I look back and wonder what we were all thinking!

Little JoAnn said...

I am relying on you for my spiritual reading and spiritual mini-classes! My brain just can't handle much these days, so your blog is just what the doctor ordered. I had the priviledge of meeting Father Neuhaus a few years back and--darn it--was suppose to go to dinner with him but didn't make it. My heart was broken when I found out he passed away. Such a class act in every way. And, his intellect (not to mention his humor!) keep sending those summaries, I am eating them up.
I will pray for your friend who just experienced the adoption loss. I will be honest with you guys, that is a process that I don't think I have the strength to face. And, this is coming from me, a person who was adopted herself!
It terrifies me to hear about these stories. Such pain, such pain. Thanks again for READING FOR ME! Can't wait for you next post.

prayerfuljourney said...

You just confirmed for me why it's a good idea for me to put adoption on hold until I'm done student teaching. I couldn't handle the stress of the job and the stresses that go with potential adoptions. I'm certainly willing to take the necessary risks...cause you have too but I just can't risk never finishing my education. I said a little prayer for that couple...the pain and anguish. I just can't imagine.

Sew said...

I came from a very conservative diocese and moved to the South. Nuff said, right?

I'm dying for the mystery to be back. I'm dying for my mind not to wander because I hang on every beautiful word being spoken in latin. I'm dying for the viel to humble me before God. I'm dying for the Priest back to be facing me....I would die for a latin mass. We have two, DH just can't do it. I die in thme

My church and a few that I attend here are conservative. Some Priest could do Mass in a barn and it would be holy. ;)

In Nashville, I almost died. I thought my DH was going to die. I was so uncomfortable as if I were about to crawl out of my skin the whole Mass. The tabernacle was in a room off to the side of the church, the band was next to the altar, the crucifix was pathetic display, the Priest was an actor. He walked down the isle soaking in the horrible band, I couldn't follow the Mass and didn't know when to kneel, the congregation didn't kneel during the consecration, I put the kneeler down and got yelled at by the parishoner....I almost died!

I ended up talking to the Priest afterwards about the Mass. I was so TICKED! I asked him why the congregation didn't kneel during the consecration he said because they needed to be retrained. I thought WTH are you talking about? You are as old as night! Retrained my butt! The consecration was all about him. It was horrible. I swear he was under the influence. Poor man.

I ended up even writing the Bishop. I was SO MAD!

I have since returned and they kneel but the Priest comes down from behind the altar and walks around like he is a baptist preacher.....

Sorry this is long....It gets me SO MAD! If I wanted fellowship I would be a protestant.

Sew said...

How many times do I need to say die? :) hahaha

Praying for your friend....The loss is huge.

Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Me said...

HA HA, Sew. I was wondering! A little drama never hurt anyone... :)

Seriously, though- "If I wanted fellowship, I'd be Protestant."? More like, "if I wanted fellowship, I'd be a blogger!" HA! :)

But really. Don't you see the fellowship offered as a strength of the Protestant Church that we can and should learn from? They're enthused about their faith and naturally want to share it and learn more with and from others. I think that's an awesome thing!

Lisa said...

Awww! I've always been a fan of #'s 2-9 (maybe just because it's what I grew up with??). And I definitely think that Catholics could learn something from the fellowship that Protestant churches tend to foster-- smaller groups (young marrieds, with young kids, empty nesters, singles, etc) that help to connect the parish in different ways by creating strong bonds with the people of the parish and with the parish and Church itself. Catholic blogs are like a microcosm of this idea! We're just mostly too spread out for it to be a physical group, so it's gone virtual. Community helps to keep members active and challenged in their faith, and I truly believe that's what helps to strengthen marriages-- friends of (the same, especially) faith who hold each other accountable.

Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Me said...

Lis- check out this fabulous post: http://whatdoesthechurchteach.blogspot.com/2009/09/music-and-liturgy.html

Sacred Music supposed to be just that- SACRED! Not with secular instruments or beat! Ever since we experienced what this could and should be (while in Europe) it is nails on a chalkboard to hear anything else.

Sew said...

I see where you are coming from but look what we lost to get this "fellowship". And actually you didn't know this before, but I absolutely HATE the word fellowship. ;) hahahaha It makes me want to die. :) Had to do it!

They are excited under false pretences to share their faith. Meaning if I left anywhere all happy feel good I would want to share as well...I feel that way leaving a great sale, my napro doctor....I think that if we had the mystery back more people would return. JMHO. I'm not against Vatican II since I grew up in it, but I think a lot has been stripped away. Those old beautiful prayers that used to be said...My gosh, take my breath away it was so romantic and deep.

As my girlfriend said on the phone yesterday when we were having this conversation. Why are we trying to be like them, they will always do it better then us. We need to be like us and maintain the mystery and depth and really for me I think that is only found during the consecration in our Masses now. But I had the experience of being in on the greatest latin Mass I had ever known. And I still crave it 7 years later.

I can tell you in my parish, no one is having babies, ppl use BCP like nobodies business, the cattiness within the groups is more then I want to participate in.

Oh and I'm adding America to the list. I laughed all the way through the song at Mass.

Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Me said...

AMEN and AMEN, Sew! I'm completely with you. 100%. I just think we could have the mystery, the fullness and beauty of truth, AND the f-word. (Don't die!) I mean- look at what we have here!! :)


(Just a note that I can't stop laughing that I called it the f-word.)

Anonymous said...

eeesh. i don't think i understand. i would really love an explanation for why those are listed as the worst hymns ever? just the lyrics? or the beats? some of my favorites are in there, ha! it seems like a lot of haterade to just say "these are the worst".

"i am the bread of life" is just a bible verse put to music. how could that be bad?

Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Me said...

Perhaps music should become a blogpost in and of itself.

In the meantime, I point you to Barbie's thorough explanation: http://whatdoesthechurchteach.blogspot.com/2009/09/music-and-liturgy.html

Those used to be some of my favorite songs, too, and it has been a journey to realize we're shorting ourselves with this sacra-pop music that is performance oriented, contains secular structure (refrain, chorus, refrain and beat) and is played by secular instruments.

Many of the songs are impossible for the congragation to sing due to wide ranges or impossible rhythms.

So many of these songs are US-oriented, rather than WORSHIP-oriented. "Gather us in" repeated over and over again doesn't exactly lift up our hearts and initiate prayer. It's more horizontal than vertical- more congregation than Lord-focused.

Finally, many of the songs seek to use political language and feminist theology- such as changing the Scripture quote to say God instead of He. Many of the writers are, to be kind, not orthodox. Read here for more http://www.magisterium.net/lament.htm

So...it's not hatred as much as venting and desiring the BEAUTIFUL and uplifting. Bring back the Gregorian chant and "Holy God"!

As I said, it's been a journey for me, and I understand why people love those "hated" songs. :) After all, it's all we've heard for two generations. We don't know any different!

Lisa said...

Not to bring up "the F-word" again, but...
http://www.faithandfamilylive.com/blog/marriage_building_parishes/

This might be a better description of what I was going for... and I LOVE the idea of a marriage-building parish. As married people, we're on a mission to get our spouses and children (and ourselves) to God, and the support of our home parish can be instrumental in the faith formation/continuation of faith education/facilitation of community (to replace the F-word. And how'd you like all of my -ation words??!!).

Angela said...

This is a really interesting post because it got me thinking about liturgical music and I've never really thought much about it before...other than the Mass with the drums really annoys me.

I've thought about other aspects like why the eucharistic minister looks at me strangely when I receive on the tongue? when oh when will they move the tabernacle back to the front of the church instead of a side room? and why girls come dressed like they are going clubbin', but the music hadn't really crossed my mind...so I really appreciated the link to the post about what kind of music is appropriate! Definitely enlightening to me!

Have to agree with Lisa though that we could use some sort of fellowship in the Catholic church. I LONG to get to know people who are just as passionate as I am about loving God as a Catholic and living out my faith and I think when you are surrounded IRL (although blogging is doing this too) you are held more accountable and hold yourself to a higher standard (ie., really try hard to live out your faith). I want Catholic friends that I can have REAL conversations about the Eucharist and they get it! I really can't do that with anyone IRL except my mom! LOL!

C said...

Just ordered the book! Thanks for the recommendation. I've been trying to find something not only for me but for my DH...Catholics "thinking for themselves" really hit home for me. DH and my conversations are filled with him questioning...which I think is fine, but when I try to explain some things to him he decides his thinking is okay. Maybe this book will help him understand that's not the way it works!

Holly Rutchik said...

once when we were trying to find a parish in our new town we were sitting in mass and a women (dressed as the women at the well) walked up to the alter and started dancing. Ok, NOT my thing - one does NOT DANCE around the alter to the gloria - but ok - Jesus is Jesus - I want to receive. But after the gloria, she started acting things out and telling some sort of sotry - from her POV, using her own words. Not knowing what was going on, we were looking all around to see if anyone else was confused and then we looked and saw that indeed, the gospel for that sunday was the women at the well, and THIS performace was the GOSPEL reading!! When she was done, and we say for sure that Father wasn't even going to read the actual words - we packed up our baby and walked right out!

Lauren @ Magnify the Lord with Me said...

Little JoAnn- I meant to tell you earlier how jealous I am of your opportunity to meet Father Neuhaus! Very cool!

Lisa- love the marriage building Church idea. I somehow suspect that we're all on the same page here with the F-word (still cracks me up!). I think it's semantics, and the focus of the Pastor that is the issue.

Patiently waiting- I think you'll like it! Blessings on your conversations with your DH! (I loved that line about thinking, too! There's several pages on that topic!)

Holly- well ding, ding, ding! You win! WOW! What liberty and license that priest was taking! SHEEZ!!!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this post - Im going to order the book and have a read.

Sew said...

I think, IMHO, since we have relaxed the Mass we have also relaxed our values and traditions. So what I find in the F-word is not what I'm looking for...I have met cafeteria Catholics, sterilized, bcp, daughters on the pill, etc..etc.... So the F-word (love it) hahaha is more torture to me then f. ;) But if I could find bloggers who lived near me, then maybe it wouldn't be torture, but in my experience I haven't found substance. It's not being hoity, because I'm not the pillar of Catholicism, just would love to have g/f's that were orthodox IRL.

LeAnn said...

Lauren, I would love to talk to you about this topic! I was involved in music ministry for a short time, playing the guitar and singing most of the songs on the list. I am now finding, however, that I'm becoming more and more unsettled by this kind of music at Mass. The more I learn about our beautiful Faith, the more Orthodox I'm becoming.

Sew, I know what you mean about wanting to have orthodox g/f's. I've been blessed over the past 5 years to have met some wonderful women who have become my sisters in Christ. Here's how it happened: my husband and I began an Apologetics group at our church to study our faith, which is how we met Lauren, among others (thank you God!). AND, last year I began a women's Bible/book study group. We meet weekly, the kids play while we discuss our book/lives/faith. We started with Kimberly Hahn's Chosen and Cherished. Once a month we leave the kids home with the dads, while we have an evening out for uninterrupted discussion.

Everyone, I'm thoroughly enjoying this discussion! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Danya said...

Yes, Lauren! Thanks for the shout out! I've been on vaca. in timbuktu and have been off-line. Speaking of bad taste, I am soon to attend mass this weekend with a priest that loves Obama and wears a sombrero. Lord help me!